Rosemary Adong
Transcript of video interview
I work with the Community Development Resource Network (CDRN),
which is a Ugandan NGO. CDRN was started in 1994 and is now ten
years old. It was set up in response to the apparent waste of development
resources when participatory approaches first came to Uganda. At
the time, participatory approaches were the role of technocrats
and expatriates who did not understand the local context and who
tended to take people through rather half-baked participatory processes
which were not all that helpful. Ugandans thought, 'we have all
these skills, we have all this experience, why don't we come together
and fill this gap? We understand the local context and we can help
community development workers in this country, both from the government
and from the NGO sector, to do development work in a bottom-up and
culturally appropriate way which reflects the local context.' We
met with considerable success in training developing workers. However,
we realised that if we did not intervene in the organisations they
were working for, we could be wasting our time, so we started working
with government and development organisations to help them to try
to transform their own culture, structures, thinking and practice
so that they could become more participatory and better able to
deliver participatory processes.
We underwent an evaluation in 2001 and people told us that that
they had seen CDRN moving forward and would like to see us taking
on the role of a pace-setter for civil society in Uganda. They did
not want to see us doing participation work when we had trained
others to be able to do that. They wanted us to be the lead agency
in civil society and to set the direction and promote the efforts
of other civil society organisations to help to create a vibrant
civil society sector in Uganda, one which is value-driven with a
common world view, of course allowing for diversity, but with a
common basis from which we can engage the powers that be. From this
basis, CDRN still does capacity building work and training in participatory
approaches, but we also do policy research and research to understand
and critique current development trends and assumptions. We use
that research to influence the way that civil society thinks and
to act as a stimulant. We do not have a constituency per se, nor
a mandate to be a platform for civil society. There are other organisations
in Uganda such as the NGO Forum and network organisations, so we
aim to act as a stimulant for thinking through the issues which
emerge in terms of knowledge and development thinking.
We have done a series of research projects, one of which is called
'biting the hand the feeds you', which looks at the role which has
been assigned to NGOs, at the relationship between receiving funds
from government on the one hand, and playing a role in holding the
government to account on the other, as well as at the reality of
this discourse on the ground.
We have covered a lot of issues in our research. We have conducted
research looking at the assumption that working with groups equates
to working with poor people and have come up with a number of issues
and reflective points to guide development actors. We have carried
out research which looks at leadership, particularly within civil
society organisations, and why leadership change is often difficult.
We realise that in developing countries, many civil society organisations
have poor leadership and lack political consciousness. Whilst they
are clear about working for development, they are less clear about
the precise direction. Coming from a capacity-building perspective,
our major challenge in the arena of research is to translate research
more seriously into influencing work. This is the stage we are at
at the moment and we are trying to design a programme that will
help to enable us to do that. We have decided that we will not conduct
more research this year or even during the first half of next year.
We need to look at what we have in-house - we have so many publications.
We need to sit down and think seriously about what we want to achieve
with the evidence available to us. This, I think, is our next major
challenge.
What is your experience of using research-based evidence to
influence development policy?
If I framed my own question at this point, it would be about how
to influence the development process as a whole and to look at that
process more broadly. We are aspiring to use research-based evidence
to influence development policy more directly. In the past, we have
tended to focus on using research around key development assumptions,
and have tended to assume that working with groups is equal to working
with poor people in the development process. What I would like to
do is use research evidence not just to influence development policy
in the conventional sense but to influence policy in all senses,
looking at all stakeholders, government and civil society organisations
which are working with and targeting groups, to try to influence
their thinking and encourage them to be more critical about who
they work with and how they work with them. Without this, they may
not actually be contributing to the kind of development scenario
that they had hoped for.
What do you think are the most important tricks of the trade?
First of all, there has to be a need for the research - it has
to be about a topical issue and address things which we are all
struggling with. It is important to know that there is a need for
the research in the immediate term - even though this need may not
be on the part of those who are responsible for policy, it should
be arising from our target group and the efforts of civil society.
When we create a need and some degree of discomfort, it becomes
possible to advocate for policy change. I see that as being important.
Another important factor is the quality of the research. Research
need not be quantitative, but the qualitative aspects must seek
to express the voices of the victims and help other people to appreciate
the problem.
In my experience, it is also good to invest the necessary time.
We are not going to succeed without investing time, knowing who
the gate-keepers are and making friends. There are two kind of policy
change: one is quite neutral and factual and is relatively easy
to change, but there is another policy process which is more political
and which means that there are people who are going to lose out
if any change is made. This latter kind of policy change requires
a different kind of approach. It requires pressure and dealing with
people's fears.
Do you have any case studies or examples of using research-based
evidence to influence policy?
There is one case study which we have been thinking about for a
long time but where we have not quite succeeded. We have carried
out research to better understand community-based organisations
(CBOs), which are our constituency. We realise that the policy framework
which would guide the operations of civil society organisations
in Uganda is completely absent. We have been thinking about how
to raise the profile and legality of community-based organisations
so that they get resources from donors. Currently the lack of policy
framework means that there are questions for donors about how to
ensure the accountability of CBOs.
What we have been struggling with for years, and doing research
into, is the question of how to define the issues and develop an
advocacy strategy around them, as well as beginning to see what
our entry points should be. We have not been too successful as yet,
in part because we have been struggling with our own survival as
an organisation. We know that if there is policy change as far as
CBOs' existence is concerned, there will be a fundamental impact
on the landscape of poverty reduction. On the other hand, as an
organisation, we need to survive and to a certain extent we need
to go where the money is. There are certain activities which are
easy to do, such as capacity-building of NGOs and existing projects.
This means that, although we started this research in 2001, up to
this point we are still gathering our energy to see how we can move
forward.
We have participated in other forms of policy change processes
like the Poverty Eradication Action Programme which emanates from
the Poverty Reduction Strategy Paper (PRSP) process in Uganda. We
have been working with other civil society organisations in Uganda
participating in the review process and working groups. We are had
done research to understand how the programme was moving and how
pro-poor the Poverty Eradication Action Programme (PEAP) process
actually was, and we felt that the PEAP itself was focusing on a
liberal development agenda, rather than focusing on issues of social
justice, equity and so on, so we have tried to include these issues
in the process. We have seen the issues which we raised reflected
in the documents and we see this as a success story for civil society
organisations in Uganda. Recently, someone from the Ugandan Ministry
of Finance tried to evaluate our participation in the PEAP process
(which I take as a policy change process) and found that there had
been a fundamental input from civil society organisations, not just
CDRM, but together across the board.
What I am not clear about is how this change in the way that PEAP
has been framed is going to be reflected in practice. This is our
greatest challenge - where we have struggled to contribute to the
use of evidence to facilitate policy change, does it actually make
a difference to what happens in practice? To me, as a civil society
activist who works with communities, this is what I am most concerned
to see happen. I think that the way we work with policy issues should
go beyond influencing policy change processes to ensure that that
change is reflected in terms of practice.
What three things could CSOs do to increase their policy impact?
Our greatest challenge, based on the lessons of our own experience,
is to create the space to develop long-term strategies and involve
the right people. Without this, we will only talk about evidence-based
policy change. You can have good intentions, but if you do not actually
sit down to design this intervention and think about how to carry
through a protracted process with adequate resources, you may not
be able to succeed. The few donors that we have tried to approach
with our policy change work have asked what impact it will have
on the poor, how the community in northern Uganda, for example,
will benefit from this. We realise that some donors (actually many
of them) do not see the benefits of attempting simply to influence
policy change. These efforts need to attached to a long-term strategy
which involves the right people.
Secondly, because policy change is such a huge task (I am sure
this is why we have not done very much in this area), it is important
to work with other like-minded people and organisations with different
comparative advantages. If there are NGOs, civil society organisations
and research organisations working in the same set-up, perhaps we
do not need to do the research ourselves, for example. We tend to
assume that we each need to have all the skills, but I think it
is important to recognise the different contributions of different
organisations so that we can specialise. The second key point, then,
is about working in partnership.
Thirdly, there is the question of whether we have the necessary
commitment. Is it simply a donor agenda, or do we strongly believe
that through our interventions we exist to contribute to policy
change so that we can dent poverty in Uganda? Do we have the conviction
and energy and rigour to get there? This is a very important aspect.
Once you have all three of these things it is definitely possible
to achieve something.
What three things could policy-makers do to increase their use
of research-based evidence?
Earlier on I mentioned that there are two types of policy process,
or ways of looking at the policy process: either technically, which
makes it an easier process and one which people do not think will
change much; or as a political process. In reality, the policy-making
process does not happen in the formal spaces, but happens in various
ways. The most important thing is that the policy-makers have the
poor at heart and are not only thinking about their own positions.
They need to have the right attitude, values and thinking. This
is crucial, but policy-makers themselves also need a lot more information.
They need to understand the current policy trends and poverty trends
in their own contexts, and they need to be able to monitor the implementation
of policy and see it through.
Do you have any examples of times when things have gone wrong
or any 'horror stories'?
I remember one international organisation in Uganda that was trying
to look at the impact of the World Bank funded nutrition and early
childhood development programme in Uganda. The international agency
felt that something was going fundamentally wrong and that resources
were getting lost along the way, so they undertook research in order
that changes could be made. However, the quality of the research,
which was published in the newspaper, was questionable. When we
first saw it, we were happy, but then the implementing institution
came up with evidence about who they had worked with, where they
had worked, and what they had done in each area, suggesting that
the research was fundamentally flawed. That made me think that we
needed to be more careful as civil society organisations. We have
limited capacity in undertaking research. We do it in a hurry and
often based on emotions, rather than as a search for facts followed
by a process of careful analysis. Perhaps it was not a good idea
just to call in the newspapers and perhaps it could have been dealt
with differently. There was a need for information triangulation.
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