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Carlos Aramburu
Transcript of video interview
I am an anthropologist who was trained here in England many years
ago when Wilson was Prime Minister. Right now, I have a consortium
of thirty-five organisations that includes universities, public
and private, NGOs, think-tanks and the government and its research
bodies. We are funded by civil sources, Canada and other sources.
We identify policy issues and bid competitively for research.
What is your experience of using research-based evidence to
influence development policy?
Influencing development policy is usually a long-term process that
is based on credibility and trust. In the region I come from, which
is Latin America, there has been a long-standing tradition of a
lack of trust between academics and government, despite the fact
that people move between the two fields very frequently. We found
that if we set the agenda in response to the problems that policy-makers
want to solve and we involve them from the beginning, the chances
of our research influencing policy are increased enormously.
What do you think are the most important tricks of the trade?
As I said before, firstly, set a common agenda. Secondly, look
at the timing - policy-makers cannot wait three years for the results
of the research. Thirdly, involve the policy-makers throughout the
process. Fourthly, ensure that what you are giving them is related
to actual programmes and projects.
Do you have any 'good news case studies'?
I hope we do. Let me just mention a few of these. One was a $50
million investment made by the government to produce books for rural
children. As I explained in the seminar, we had an anthropologist
who received only a small grant of $5000 and she went to six rural
schools to find out what had happened to the books. She found that
in four out of the six schools, the books had not been distributed.
The reason that they had not been distributed was that teachers,
the main barriers, had decided that they were very nice books and
could not be given to poor individual children because they would
spoil them. Instead, the teachers put them away on shelves. In the
other two schools where the books were distributed, we interviewed
the children. The children could remember the exact pages and page
numbers where a little parrot or whatever was mentioned. It is amazing
how it is the mindset rather than the thing itself which creates
change. We work too much on the hardware and not enough on the software.
We need to change the mindsets of teachers in order to be able to
use the resources made available.
Do you have any 'horror stories'?
We had a project which dealt with employment, which was a priority.
We conducted a study looking at what was more beneficial for a trainee,
whether it was university, public or private or on-the-job job training.
We found that there was a huge difference in terms of those who
were trained on-the-job; they learnt more and were more efficient.
We never involved the private sector and we had no constituency
to champion the cause. When we did involve the private sector at
the end of the study, they said ok, but that training would need
to be subsidised. In the event, we were unable to reach an agreement
with the government and the private sector regarding on-the-job
training that involved some kind of tax relief.
What three things could CSOs do to increase their policy impact?
As I said before, partnership is very important. You have to partner
with those who are going to use the study. Maintaining independence
is the tricky part. Setting the agenda together so that a common
agenda is achieved is important, but you have to make sure that
whatever the results are, they are based on good science and they
are independent. This is a balancing act because it could well be
that the results do not please those who are making the decisions.
A second thing is that it is not a one-to-one relationship; you
have to involve other players. We found that focus groups, interest
groups and media are key players, especially if you are dealing
with something controversial, because it is through them that you
can influence policy. For example, with family planning, we had
a very conservative group of health ministers who banned family
planning for adolescents. Through research, we showed that AIDS
was increasing, that the average age of AIDS patients had dropped
five years over the past eight to ten years and that it was not
a matter of information: adolescents knew what condoms and pills
were, they just had no access to them. When we took the results
to the minister, he said it was rubbish and he was not prepared
to believe it. We had to go through civil society organisations,
women's groups and youth groups to demand that the minister was
sacked.
What three things could policy-makers do to increase their use
of research-based evidence?
First of all, I think that policy-makers need to understand research.
In many training activities, many of which are funded by the large
development banks, the issue of using research for decision-making
is not in the curriculum. I think that it should be. We need to
train policy-makers not only to understand research but to know
how to request it. I am not saying that every policy-maker needs
to be an economist or needs to know econometrics or anthropology.
What they have to know is how to ask the right questions, commission
the research, respect independence and then use research in their
policy. I think that we have looked too much at the supply side
and not enough at developing the demand side. Lastly, I would say
that we have looked at policy design but we need to look more at
policy implementation. Unless we have good science on why policies
work and do not work, we will be way off target in terms of what
policy-makers need. In Latin America at least, there is a lot of
research on policy design but very little research into how policy
is implemented.
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